harez
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Post by harez on Dec 2, 2011 22:06:20 GMT -5
Hi, An interesting hand I played today vs a nl200 reg. His stats vpip30/pfr22/3b7 over 3k hands. His 3bet vs button is pretty wide and since we are deep I defend pretty wide. Besides that he plays weak post-flop, specially on the turn(he never barrels turn with his bluffs oop). Although because of history I didn't expect he would check the turn again since he might suspect I have been flooting him. The reason I didn't raise the flop is because I wanted him to barrel. The gutshot is pretty hidden. Since he is always levels himself into calling I was not expecting to fold his big hands even if the flush would hit. His jam on the river, I think there are some 6s in his range but I was pretty much committed. I don't know if he is capable of ever bluffing in this spot. How would you have played this? Betsizing etc? And would you even consider folding river? Cheers mate Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP ($288.47) CO ($189.95) Hero (Button) ($200) SB ($70.10) BB ($567.86) UTG ($205) Preflop: Hero is Button 3 folds, Hero bets $5.34, 1 fold, BB raises to $16.68, Hero calls $11.34 Flop: ($34.36) 5 , 3 , 8 (2 players)BB bets $22.91, Hero calls $22.91 Turn: ($80.18) 4 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $32, BB calls $32 River: ($144.18) 7 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $104, BB raises to $213.34 (All-In), Hero calls $109.34 (All-In) Total pot: $570.86 Results below: Hero didn't show BB didn't show Outcome: Hero won $285.43, BB won $285.43
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Post by derekeverett on Dec 3, 2011 16:28:51 GMT -5
Personally, how I played this might depend on what my hole cards were. Or am I blind and just don't see them?
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Post by harez on Dec 3, 2011 20:57:18 GMT -5
hehe weird converter, I had A2s hearts and effective stack was 140BB
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Post by derekeverett on Dec 4, 2011 13:42:31 GMT -5
I don't really think I'm fit to offer an opinion. I play much lower stakes and my experience is limited... but I don't think I'd have called the 3-bet pre.
As played though I think I'd of done the same. I don't think I'd of folded to his shove.
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Post by huangken on Dec 4, 2011 14:05:33 GMT -5
I play lower limit too , but whatever...some thoughts about this hand.
1) Converter is really weird , hero's stack size = $200 or deeper ? 2) Preflop I don't mind flat call 3bet , but I prefer 4bet with ace blocker 3) Flop I will play the same , we may have best hand and best draw , get it in is ok but not great 4) I would bet bigger on the turn because I think his calling range is inelastic , since we are deep we want to make a pot size shove on the river with such good hand. 5) On the river, I am not sure if villian would call our value bet with 2pair or overpair...even turn them into bluff ??
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Post by Jesse Foster on Dec 4, 2011 15:46:13 GMT -5
I think pre is ok if hes not double barreling much. Flop line is fine as well as we are deep enough to be able to call another turn barrel and not get blown off our equity.
I think your turn sizing is ok in the sense that most of his overpairs are probably barreling, so a large % of his range on turn is A high, and betting smaller will allow him to peel with those hands. Sometimes we don't want to be setting up getting stacks in, we just want to make the most +EV decision vs villains overall range. If we had reason to believe villain was checking strong hands or draws OTT, I would bet much larger to bet/shove.
River bet is fine, though I might bet smaller to expand his calling range/frequency and allow him to turn AJ or whatever into a bluff.
As played, I don't really expect him to be bluffing here much at all, but there arent too many 6x in his pf range presumably. What % was he 3-betting from blinds, and is his range polarized or continuous? If hes 3betting 15% or something, this is somewhat closer. If hes 3-betting 10% or less, it's a pretty easy call because he so rarely has 6x.
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Post by harez on Dec 4, 2011 22:23:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately because its cake poker I didn't have any solid data at hand but playing with him regularly, I do have a good understanding of his game. His 3bet range vs button is a lot of suited con and Ax/Kx J10/J9o type of hands. He flats pairs and JQ+ hands and also 3bets AQ+ for value.
I guess I didn't expect him to have checked a 6 on the turn. I thought he had JJ+ and wanted to check call turn and river. That was the reason I bet so big.
Thanks for feedback guys! Appreciate it.
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Post by jeremygibson on Dec 13, 2011 13:49:49 GMT -5
Any thoughts on raising flop? If hes 3betting a depolarized range we can stack weaker draws?
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Post by Jesse Foster on Dec 14, 2011 20:13:02 GMT -5
I think raising flop could be good for that reason, however he will not have too many draws that will stack off here. I think calling/shipping over a turn bet is optimal because it extracts the most from bluffs and we don't get blown off our equity. If his range was wider pre and contained way more draws on this flop, then raising to stack off would be best.
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