200bbs deep vs maniac

[buby2132]

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Reads -Absolute maniac. Puts you in a lot of tricky spots with aimless aggression. Hard to get to showdown. Min 3bets almost everytime i open (I have terrible position, i know, but i dont want to leave the table as i can out-play him)

Dynamics- i had just stacked him previously when i hit the nut straight vs his top pair on a 3 flush board, i just called him down IP.

Preflop range - ATC. I think calling here is fine vs him, i am not folding top pair vs him. Given the price, i think it is ok.

Flop - He will cbet this with his entire range. I just call as when we are deep, he can shove with top pair no flush draw, of course i dont want to be drawing this deep.

Turn - i hit the nut flush, i decide to c/min raise here as he may spazz out to this. Plus it means i can get a bigger bet in on the river. I didnt want to make it 3x as it doesnt give him much room to bluff over (Which he is capable of doing). When he just calls, he has a flush i think.

River - Most sick card ever. He has been running hot as hell, as you can see from his stack size.

Im torn betwen bet/folding and check/calling.

I think i can fold if he overbet shoves here. Im not sure even he wil bluff this board vs me, seeing i called him down before with a straight on a flush board.

Question -

1 - Bet/fold? Why?
2 - Check/call? Why?

[Jesse Foster]

Preflop and flop are fine and standard.

I think your turn raise should be bigger. 100bb deep c/minraise is fine, but were 200bb here and hence he still has plenty of room to jam even if we 3.5x. 3.5xing also allows us to jam river.

The river spot is pretty disgusting. It is very difficult for you to have the 7h or Qh, because you would rarely c/r the turn with them. However, it is pretty unlikely he is good enough to know this.

It is also extremely difficult for him to get to the river with a bluff, unless he is turning 2p or a set into a bluff (prob a good play from his position). However, I find this pretty unlikely as it would be a very complex bluff to make and I don't think he is probably capable of it.

Therefore I think the range that he shoves river with is extremely polarized between bluffs and value. He never raises worse for value, and rarely bluffs here. He can definitely have 7h or Qh given his line as well. I probably fold the river once I bet.

As for b/f vs c/c... I think b/f is best if you think he wont bet the river when you check trying to get you off of chops. If he was the type to turn 2p/set into a bluff on this river I would c/c. Vs. most I would probably just bet the size you did to get value from Kh, 2-6h, and the occasionally call from a hand playing the board.

If I thought he was very unlikely to bluff raise, 1/3 potting river is very sexy because he will basically always call for the chop, which gets a ton more value than 2/3 pot because his calling frequency is so much higher.

I think your fold is good and you played the hand very well with exception to the turn raise sizing.

[buby2132]

Would you not think check/calling river is the best play considering how aggressive he is? By checking, it gives him the opportunity to bluff, and that is what we want him to do and we wont be put in such a tricky spot (Unless he overbet jams)

Mike

[Jesse Foster]

If you think he is likely the type to bluff when you check, then checking is best. Most guys though will just try to get whatever they have to showdown. So its just a question of how often will he call with worse/how often will he bet as a bluff when checked to.

I find that most players don't turn hands into bluffs on these rivers all too often, even if they are aggressive in other situations. Aggression on early streets does not equal aggression on later streets a fair amount of the time.